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F-250 6 0 Turbo Diesel
I took this quote from another board I belong to:
"Well after reading that last JD Powers 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study, I'd have to say Ford makes a good truck, but the 6.0 has been a dismal failure the likes of which there is simply no excuse for in this day and age. I certainly wouldn't buy into the contention that "all the bugs are fixed in '05" mantra without at least a couple of years to clear thier severly damaged reputation.
Cummins = 41% LESS problems than the equivalent gas powered truck
6.0 PSD = 430% MORE problems than the equivalent gas powered truck
Those numbers are obscene!"
I looked up the JD Powers Study, interesting reading. You couldn't give me a 6.0 Power Stroke. Interesting how it's going to be replaced in '07 already.
Buy the Dodge and get your own brake controller.
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F-250 6 0 Turbo Diesel
They sell more trucks because of their extremely cheap fleet sales. All the bells and whistles in the world do not make up for the problems they had and still have with the 6.0 PS. Read any of the trade journals and you will see that the 6.0 was a decent motor until Ford engineering got involved. They are already screwing up the replacement motor that IH was developing.
The link below kind of sums up my reasons.
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Are Canadian trucks equipped differently? (Emissions etc.) Here (US spec'ed) there are major turbo, injector, injector pump and tranny problems to name a few.
I liked the new HD Fords and was looking into replacing my '94 Cummins with one, but after researching I decided to keep what I have.
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Longhair: "A Dodge is cheaper so it's not because of price."
Av8r: "They sell more trucks because of their extremely cheap fleet sales."
I said 'fleet sales.' I've had to bid against this when I worked for Chevy. Their prices are extremely low, most dealers would loose money if they sold one or two at the big fleet discounts.
Murf: You probably havn't had problems because of your mechanical knowledge and your dilligent maintainance practices on your truck(s). Most owners have neither.
If you have one (or more) of these and haven't had problems, kudos to you, you're doing great. I, personally wouldn't buy one. (I don't know if I would buy the 3rd gen Dodge either.) I'll keep my old truck.
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'Magnum: Thats exactly my point. The Cummins has 50% of the moving parts with near 50% more surface area on things like bearings.
I'm not trying to flame, but, are there any V-8 Diesels in over-the-road trucks? (Not very many) There must be a reason for that.
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The link below leads to a chat board concerning Ford Diesels. If you have one, or are thinking about buying one, this is a good resource for information.
This thread is about giving rental vehicles while warranty work is being done. One poster states that it FORD policy to always give rentals to 6.0 owners. With other vehicles, it is up to the dealer. Does this mean they see alot of the 6.0's?
I think it's funny how some of these guys are on their 5th or 6th turbo and 3rd or 4th tranny and they are buying another. One guy had his truck bought back 3 times and is waiting delivery on another! Brand (blind?) loyalty.
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Dodge never, to my knowledge, had axle problems with the genII trucks. Their axles were Dana models. 60 or 44 in the front, 60, 70 80 or 80 hybrid (80 center with 70 shafts) in the rear on the 2500/3500's. They had and still have problems with their auto trannys (that's why I got the hand shaker :p ). The reason for the change to the American axles on the genIII (2003+) trucks was purely $$. They have since changed again. (I don't know to whom)
Gm also buys American axles, but I don't know if they are owned by GM.
BTW, Daimler/Chrysler now owns Detroit diesel, this is probably why GM bought the Isuzu diesel for thier trucks instead of a new Detroit.
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Quite right 'Lion. I should have been more informative, the generation levels I was referring to back then was the Gen I, II and III Cummins powered HD Dodge trucks, not their 1/2 ton and lighter trucks. Sorry for the confusion.
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